July 1, 1970
(Satprem reads out the conversation of June 27 — “a very slight shift of consciousness” — which Mother thought could be used for the “Notes on the Way”.)
Is that all? I said only this much?.... I thought I had said something interesting — it's not very interesting.
- Yes, it is! There are lots of things in it!
There's always so much MORE than what can be read! I really felt I had said something, and now it seems like nothing at all!
- When I read it aloud, it's not so good, but when you read it for yourself and go within a little, you clearly feel...
Yes, in YOUR case. But for one like you who reads like that, there are a thousand who read on the surface.
- Not everyone!
Anyway ... It doesn't matter.
I had an experience which I found interesting, because it was the first time. It was yesterday or the day before (I forget), R. was here, just in front of me, kneeling, and I saw her psychic being towering above by this much (gesture about eight inches), taller. It's the first time. Her physical being was short, and the psychic being was tall, like this. And it was a sexless being: neither man nor woman. So I said to myself (it may be always that way, I don't know, but at that time I noticed it very clearly), I said to myself, “But the psychic being is the one that will materialize and become the supramental being!”
I saw it, it was like that. There were distinctive features, but not very pronounced, and it was clearly a being that was neither male nor female, that had features of both combined. And it was taller than her, it exceeded her on every side by about this much (gesture extending beyond the physical being by about eight inches). She was here, and it was like this (gesture). Its color was ... this color that, if it became very material, would be Auroville's color [orange]. It was softer, as if behind a veil, it wasn't absolutely precise, but it was this color. And there was hair, but ... it was something else.
Another time maybe I'll see better.
But I found it very interesting, because that being seemed to tell me, “You're wondering what the supramental being will be — here it is! Here it is, this is it.” And it was there. It was her psychic being.
Then one understands. One understands: the psychic being will materialize ... and it gives a continuity to evolution.
This creation gives you a clear impression that nothing is arbitrary, that there is a sort of divine logic behind, which isn't like our human logic, but highly superior to our logic (but it exists), and that logic was fully satisfied when I saw that.
It's odd, it was also when R. was here that I had that experience of the supramental light going through within [Mother] without causing any shadow. R. has something like that, I don't know.... And this time, it's really interesting. I was quite interested. It was there, tranquil, and saying to me, “But you're after ... well, here it is, this is it!”
So then, I understood why the mind and the vital were sent away from this body, and the psychic being was left (naturally, it was the psychic being that governed all movements earlier, so it was nothing new, but there were no more difficulties: all the complications coming from the vital and the mind, which add their imprints, their tendencies, it was all gone). So I understood: “Ah, that's it, it's this psychic being that is to become the supramental being.”
I had never bothered to know what it looked like. But when I saw that, I understood. And I see it, I still see it, I have kept the memory. Its hair almost looked red, strangely (it wasn't like red hair, but it looked like it). And its expression! Such a fine expression, gently ironical ... oh, extraordinary, extraordinary!
You understand, my eyes were open, it was an almost material vision.
Then one understands! All at once, all questions vanished, it became very clear, very simple.
And the psychic is precisely what lives on. So if it materialized, it means doing away with death. But ‘doing away’ ... what's done away with is only what's not according to the Truth, that's what goes away — all that's incapable of being transformed in the image of the psychic, of being part of the psychic.
That's really interesting.
Do we have time for some Savitri?
- Yes, Mother. In the last verses, Savitri said:
- Let those who were tied to body and to mind,
- Tear off those bonds and flee into white calm
Is it Savitri who says that?
- Yes, Death told her one must leave one's body in order to find God's height....
(Mother translates the sequel)
- But how shall I seek rest in endless peace
- Who house the mighty Mother's violent force,
- Her vision turned to read the enigmaed world,
- Her will tempered in the blaze of Wisdom's sun
- And the flaming silence of her heart of love?
- The world is a spiritual paradox
- Invented by a need in the Unseen,
- A poor translation to the creatures sense
- Of That which for ever exceeds idea and speech,
- A symbol of what can never be symbolised,
- A language mispronounced, misspelt, yet true....
Is there more?
- Yes, there is more.
(those were the last line of the Debate of Love and Death
Mother was to translate)
- See Agenda of April 16 and May 3, 1969.